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Good to know, thanks for responding. Hopefully the intensity will soften the more Ryder develops, because I don’t think this intensity is very manageable for long term passive forcing.

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Good to know, thanks for responding. Hopefully the intensity will soften the more Ryder develops, because I don’t think this intensity is very manageable for long term passive forcing.

It's common, probably comes from you making more mental effort than usual rather than from making progress with your tulpa. It shouldn't last long but you can always make sure you eat properly, drink water etc.

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6:07 PM

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying!

Txoka

as long as you treat correctly your tulpa youll be alright

How to treat your tulpa

While I can't speak for Nifty, I think the relationship you have with your tulpa will depend on what you both want and need. However, I think this was a general "don't abuse your tulpas" statement I don't mind going over different possible relationships with tulpas, but that feels a little off-topic given the question (edited)

Genry_the_frog

How to treat your tulpa

You share a brain, you will know how they want to be treated. :)

A long kiss goodnight

While I can't speak for Nifty, I think the relationship you have with your tulpa will depend on what you both want and need. However, I think this was a general "don't abuse your tulpas" statement I don't mind going over different possible relationships with tulpas, but that feels a little off-topic given the question (edited)

Its more about "keep all your tulpas in harmony" (host is just one more tulpa) which can kinda be boiled down to "dont abuse your tulpas" but its also "dont let your tulpas get in the way of your life"... there shouldnt be conflict between tulpas because you can avoid it.

don't let your tulpas get in the way of your life

Explain please (edited)

like, you shoudnt have a tulpa that needs too much attention, or another that doesnt like you doing stuff you should do and that kind of things

Oh ok Throws away Error

You share a brain, you will know how they want to be treated. :)

@Txoka - jump i wish it was always that easy! Sometimes people don’t even know how to treat themselves

Rusty

Oh ok Throws away Error

its already a bit late for you!

10:02 PM

i mean, if you are creating a tulpa, you might not want to create a tulpa that is toxic towards you or your goals

Rusty

Oh ok Throws away Error

Rust: Throws Error

10:03 PM

Error: CustomError("Error reading `test.txt`: No such file or directory (os error 2)")

Txoka

like, you shoudnt have a tulpa that needs too much attention, or another that doesnt like you doing stuff you should do and that kind of things

How much attention is too much

Genry_the_frog

How much attention is too much

as long as it does not get in the way of your life is okey i guess

10:08 PM

if they distract you from your class or something like that you should do something about it. for example i took a bracelet and katie is only alowed to distract me if i have that on (i dont need it anymore but it was helpful to solve that)

10:09 PM

i now just use the bracelet all the time and katie knows when they can distract me. (the bracelet is katies now)

I'm the kind of person that just randomly stops talking to someone for a month or even half a year and be back as nothing happend afterwards. Don't want something like that happen to tulpa tho, they meant to be closest one and most consistent in sense of social connections too. No? (edited)

Genry_the_frog

I'm the kind of person that just randomly stops talking to someone for a month or even half a year and be back as nothing happend afterwards. Don't want something like that happen to tulpa tho, they meant to be closest one and most consistent in sense of social connections too. No? (edited)

someone once did that to me and i forgot who they were

11:27 PM

i still have no idea who they were

Txoka

like, you shoudnt have a tulpa that needs too much attention, or another that doesnt like you doing stuff you should do and that kind of things

I don't know how I feel about making a tulpa assuming they'll be okay with always setting aside for you. I understand at the end of the day you will need a lot of time, but I think the host should make an effort, even if that involves making sacrifices from time to time, for their tulpa. You can only offer what you can provide, but you can still provide something. As long as you're making the effort to give something, I think that's a good thing. It will take time to sort out what's best for you and your headmates, and whether you all decide for the host to get a huge piece of pie or something else is up to you guys.

Leiko

You share a brain, you will know how they want to be treated. :)

@Txoka - jump i wish it was always that easy! Sometimes people don’t even know how to treat themselves

a little bit of self-awareness would fix that though, and self-awareness is easy enough to do

Rusty

Oh ok Throws away Error

Eh he was just an error in the code

A long kiss goodnight

I don't know how I feel about making a tulpa assuming they'll be okay with always setting aside for you. I understand at the end of the day you will need a lot of time, but I think the host should make an effort, even if that involves making sacrifices from time to time, for their tulpa. You can only offer what you can provide, but you can still provide something. As long as you're making the effort to give something, I think that's a good thing. It will take time to sort out what's best for you and your headmates, and whether you all decide for the host to get a huge piece of pie or something else is up to you guys.

That means you didnt get the point at all

10:29 AM

Your tulpa does not need to set aside if they just agree with you in some fundamental things. The host is also a tulpa, you can just let your other tulpa front if you both consider their contribution is better... No need for anyone to set aside for the other.

10:30 AM

You can just give the pie to all at the same time

10:31 AM

No need to have strong disagreements with your tulpa

10:32 AM

Unless you want that for some reason...

10:36 AM

Katie and i cooperate, we have the same objec tives and saying that this is inposing myself over katie makes the same sense than saying that katie is inposing themselves over me

Sometimes we have issues because one of us isn't getting enough time. Gray and I can be happy doing our own things, but we find it's good to take a break or even sacrifice time for the other at times.

Thats why i wont make any more tulpas

Unless your headmates are cool with vibing in wonderland, tulpas can be demanding. I give Gray a lot of garbage and I do want more time but he doesn't deadass tell me, "forget it because that's inconvenient for me". He'll tell me if he can't do something, but if I'm like "bro, I need this", he'll figure something out for me

I dont even have a wonderland

12:02 PM

I dont think tulpas are "running" when you dont think abou them anyway

We can't parallel process, by being a "wonderland tulpa" I mean you don't do host-related stuff and you spend a good amount of time talking to your system mates in wonderland

I cannot understand your message sorry

When Gray and Ranger have the time, they'll talk to us. Normally they just front and don't think about us, we're dormant, in stasis, inactive, what have you. When they think of us, we wake up and talk to them. We deem any place we imagine a "wonderland", we don't have something crazy elaborate and fancy. Sometimes we talk in a void, sometimes a coffee shop place, a beach, a pond, so on. We think our forms are important and we like to use them. We rarely just use our mindvoices to talk to our hosts. If we're not in wonderland, we're being imagined in real life next to the body (you'll hear Ranger say we're visually overlayed or just overlayed). This is something Evergreen likes to do a lot.

3:24 PM

=== Oh yeah, and then there's possession to type on Discord. We do that a bunch too. I got a chance to switch in recently and it was fun! But that's a special occasion thing, I doubt I'll just be able to switch in once every two weeks even

katie rarely uses their form, they are usually just a mind voice or fronting

Blue | Shadow System

=== Oh yeah, and then there's possession to type on Discord. We do that a bunch too. I got a chance to switch in recently and it was fun! But that's a special occasion thing, I doubt I'll just be able to switch in once every two weeks even

how is possesion different from fronting?

3:31 PM

why dont you front more tho? katie fronts a lot recently

@Txoka - jump There's literally 13 of us in this system, and Ranger + Gray get the most time

Blue | Shadow System

why dont you front more tho? katie fronts a lot recently

@Txoka - jump There's literally 13 of us in this system, and Ranger + Gray get the most time

oh, yeah thats chaos

There used to be more of us actually, I think overall we're getting more time though

how did your system end up with soo many tulpas?

Scratches head It's a long story but the short of it is Gray thought we weren't people, he created a bunch of us, and after Ranger and Gray sorted stuff out they realized we were people and a bunch of us were accepted into the system all at once

what does people even mean here? with individual sentience/conciousness?

Yeah, individual tulpas/headmates.

4:08 PM

Gray thought we were characters

ohh, yeah, that makes sense

4:09 PM

oof... that looks like a complicated situation then

4:10 PM

at least i knew what i was getting into when creating a tulpa

4:13 PM

i woudnt say that a tulpa is enough to be "people" tho, i think there is much more to it, like for example, sentience, i would say there is only one sentience per system. at some point in time any tulpa can interface with those other things to become people

Nifty, your understanding is very good for being so new, and in general

4:24 PM

I wonder how things would have gone for us if host had understood things better from the start

Yeah, that was figured out the hard way. If Gray wanted to let go of us after the fact he could have, but that's not what we wanted (edited)

Blue | Shadow System

Yeah, that was figured out the hard way. If Gray wanted to let go of us after the fact he could have, but that's not what we wanted (edited)

tbh, in your situation i might not have taken the same decisions Gray took. im glad you all are good now.

Aya

I wonder how things would have gone for us if host had understood things better from the start

what happened to you?

Mm, nothing terrible, unless you count very slow development and lots of parrotnoia

4:32 PM

Host read a lot of old guides and clung to the more fantastical reports people had regarding separate consciousnesses and parallel processing

tbh, in your situation i might not have taken the same decisions Gray took. im glad you all are good now.

@Txoka - jump Yeah that's a good thing, we don't recommend what we did lol

The general understanding of tulpamancy has changed a lot since host started

Aya

Host read a lot of old guides and clung to the more fantastical reports people had regarding separate consciousnesses and parallel processing

i read a couple of them and figured i didnt like them, not for me. So i just did it my way, it seemed to work really nicely

Aya

Host read a lot of old guides and clung to the more fantastical reports people had regarding separate consciousnesses and parallel processing

I remember trying to parallel process when I was younger and I very quickly realized I couldn't even convincingly confabulate. I think if we do achieve something like parallel processing, it's going to require more effort to achieve

We too are unable to confabulate

A long kiss goodnight

I remember trying to parallel process when I was younger and I very quickly realized I couldn't even convincingly confabulate. I think if we do achieve something like parallel processing, it's going to require more effort to achieve

the most similar thing we achieved to that was one time katie talked over me at the same time for a second

4:36 PM

and my talk kinda got blurred

I can straight up lie to myself, know full well I am lying, and still believe in the lie. I used to tell myself it was 10 when it was actually 12 so the next time I looked at the clock and it was 1 I would feel happier because I thought 3 hours passed, not just 1. This was for work when I just really wanted the time to go by

We've tried having the fronter ask what someone was up to in wonderland, but never had a feeling of pseudo-memories. Mind, we weren't expecting real wonderland memories and just thought it would be interesting to fill the gaps with imagined events.

4:38 PM

I wonder if confabulated memories require actual belief that the event happened. I mean, that sounds obvious now that I say it

Aya

We've tried having the fronter ask what someone was up to in wonderland, but never had a feeling of pseudo-memories. Mind, we weren't expecting real wonderland memories and just thought it would be interesting to fill the gaps with imagined events.

the tulpa that is not fronting usually does not work at that moment (unless you talk to them for example). I dont think they are just playing arround in a thought world, that would use A LOT of mind resources the fronter doesnt have to spare.

4:39 PM

you could do that but probably only with things that you do really great, like in autopilot

We were curious if building the habit of checking in on headmates in wonderland would lead to a stronger feeling that they were active in there, but we have not yet made a habit of it (edited)

Rusty

I can straight up lie to myself, know full well I am lying, and still believe in the lie. I used to tell myself it was 10 when it was actually 12 so the next time I looked at the clock and it was 1 I would feel happier because I thought 3 hours passed, not just 1. This was for work when I just really wanted the time to go by

wow thats some crazy hability, kinda sounds like 1984 doublethink lol (edited)

The times we frequently checked were very nice though, because we were all active and chatting together more

Aya

We were curious if building the habit of checking in on headmates in wonderland would lead to a stronger feeling that they were active in there, but we have not yet made a habit of it (edited)

i dont think you will get anything but fantasy from that... if you kinda want them to tell you whatever made up thing, it might work, but i just see no point in that

Being active doesn't guarantee parallel processing I think. Then again, Ranger and Gray don't check in with me every 5 seconds

Notably, checking in gave them/us an opportunity to actually do something in the wonderland in real time. Nothing fantastical there, but we would like that to be the norm

Oh no my pfp :(

it broke for a moment

4:44 PM

in my case, i dont even have a wonderland, if i want to visualize i just overlay them in reality and usually they are just a voice

4:44 PM

or front

4:45 PM

the other day i let them front for 6h straight lol it was super fun

Man things would get confusing if we were all just voices

4:46 PM

But part of that is our ADHD, we need someone to look at at least

Blue | Shadow System

Man things would get confusing if we were all just voices

yeah but we are just 2 (we also have adhd actually)

Either that or we just can't focus easily on voices

I can tell people apart with just voices just fine, they do tend to sound slightly different. Or even if it’s not clear words I always still can tell somehow

Blue | Shadow System

Either that or we just can't focus easily on voices

there is people with little mind monologue/dialog apparently, that might be the case

Any questioning we have is trying to figure out if it was a random thought or actually came from someone

Rusty

Any questioning we have is trying to figure out if it was a random thought or actually came from someone

you just decide that retroactively

Because sometimes we get a response from someone but then they don’t actually claim that thought

just like a singlet with intrusive thoughts

4:50 PM

or a singlet that hears a voice while being alone in the house, that happens

there is people with little mind monologue/dialog apparently, that might be the case

@Txoka - jump We ironically have a lot of in-head dialogue

4:52 PM

Why? No clue, Gray's theory is something something brain damage

4:53 PM

We have to talk and use our forms, also if you speak in impressions it's like we can't hear you it makes no sense

4:54 PM

Buuuut when your headmate has a meltdown and they can't use mindvoice anymore and you realize they can't effectively communicate, it's a bad day